abstimmende bessere Beschleunigung a210

Diskutiere abstimmende bessere Beschleunigung a210 im English support forum Forum im Bereich Baureihenübergreifende Foren; hallo Ist dieses mein erster Pfosten, gefällt so ist leicht und entschuldigt mein Deutsches, da Deutscher nicht meine erste Sprache ist, also...

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  1. mykp

    mykp Elchfan

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    hallo

    Ist dieses mein erster Pfosten, gefällt so ist leicht und entschuldigt mein Deutsches, da Deutscher nicht meine erste Sprache ist, also ich google benutzt habe, um dieses zu übersetzen!

    Ich habe ein A210 Evo und möchte wissen was Sie Halteseile in Deutschland getan haben, um mehr Energie von Ihrem A210 zu erhalten, ich wünsche bessere Beschleunigung! (wer nicht?), haben Sie so einige Fragen, da Großbritannien, das für Ein-Kategorie abstimmt, Null ist. Ich kenne AMG, das mit einem Supercharger orginally betrachtet wird, aber dieses wurde nicht verwendet. *kratz*

    Ich weiß auch, daß Sie chiptuning erhalten können, aber die Energiengewinne für eine Menge Geld klein sind. K & N 57i ein Filter für die anderen Modelle der Ein-Kategorie, aber nicht für das A210 hat jedermann, das dem Filter A140/A160/A170 zum Passen des A210 geändert wird? Ich habe Nr. betrachtet, da ich dieses auf einem vorhergehenden Auto aber morgens hatte, die abgeneigt sind, dies zu tun, während ich MB-Garantie habe.

    Hat jemand irgendwelche Vorschläge für mehr Energie, ohne die Maschine zu ersetzen?

    mike
     
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  3. #2 floschu, 10.07.2005
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    floschu Elchfan

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    In my opinion it would be the best thing if you just ask your questions in english. The translation google uses is pretty weird and kind of hard for us Germans to understand. ;)
    The K&N-filter does fit into the A210 without a problem, "Gerdi" who is a member of this forum has installed it in his evo. It's only the german TÜV-paper that comes with the kit which says, that it's only to be used in A140 and A160 but you guys don't have something like TÜV in UK, do you!? *kratz*
    So it shouldn't be a problem to install it for you. The kit just isn't made to increase the engine's power, it's only the sound which get's better...
    Afaik "BlackRider" is the only member in this forum who really increased the power of an A210. He installed a chip, a new exhaust system and some other parts of the engine I don't know the english vocabulary for. :-X ;D
    Now his evo has about 170HP and sounds very good. Maybe he finds this thread and gives you some more detailed information.

    So far, Florian
     
  4. #3 Timeless, 11.07.2005
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    Timeless Elchfan

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    Hi Mike

    Florian told already all important things *thumbup* If you really want to "pump
    up" your Evo, you need to adress yourself to BlackRider. His exhaust system is
    absolutely wicked ;D There is a chip, yes, and I think the other parts are polished
    intake tubes and cylinder-heads and an open air-filter *daumen* *daumen*

    So it remains me to welcome you here at elchfans.de - and hope a little bit, that
    you are here because of my postings at the bb-portal...hehe ;) ;)

    regards, mike
     
  5. #4 AnYwHeRe79, 11.07.2005
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    AnYwHeRe79 Elchfan

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    @all,

    blackrider hat den chip wieder entfernt, da er noch garantie auf dem wagen hat. allerdings wird er den wieder einsetzten, sobald der wagen aus der garantie ist. werde im übrigen schaun, ob ich das meinem finanzminister auch irgendwie beibringen kann *daumen* ps: 167ps war wie maximalleistung


    greetz micha
     
  6. mykp

    mykp Elchfan

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    Alright, I'll pot in English *daumen* Great for me but not very good for you guys.

    I have been told that polishing and porting the cylinder head, and inlet and outlet ports will give about 12hp extra but it costs £1200! (1740 euros :o) as the engine must be removed. Brabus UK do the 2.2 upgrade for the A-class but this is £2000 + 17.5% tax *heul* however I am sure this conversion is an A190 only modification?

    I know that there are many german companies who sell Chips for the A210 with varying claims of increases in power and price.

    http://www.car-digitechnik.de/chippreise/chiptuning_mercedes.htm
    +14ps / +18nm gain for 300 Euros

    http://www.ets-power.de/chiptuning/chiptuning_leistungssteigerung_pkw/chiptuning_leistung_mercedes-benz.htm
    +12ps / +28nm gain for 550 euros

    http://www.amb-tuning.de/produkte/chiptuning/amb-tuning/mercedes/a-klasse.html
    +12ps / +18nm gain for 350 euros

    http://www.wimmer-rst.de/neu2/index.html
    +12ps / +20nm gain for 550 euros

    I dont know if any of you have experience of any of these companies?

    I suppose for the quickest method of increased power is to go for Nitrous Oxide [NOS] which offers 100hp extra+, plus you can switch it off. It only works at full throttle so its perfect for that extra boost for overtaking. I asked this company http://www.wizardsofnos.com/index2.html and they quoted me £550 + £100 for fitting, which gives 100hp extra! but a 5kg refill costs £33 and how long it lasts depends on how much you use it...

    I asked this question as I wondered if anyone on the site had installed a turbo or supercharger to one of the petrol models. There has been talk before about whether an A170 turbo could be put onto the A210, but I think it might be a dream idea. (nice idea though if it could be done)

    mike
     
  7. #6 floschu, 11.07.2005
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    Well I don't know how much money BlackRider spent for the modifications he installed but I think 1700€ isn't really too much. As you already said, the engine hat to be removed and so it's a lot of work. :o
    Your assumption about the 2.2 upgrade by BRABUS is correct, it's only for the A190 and raises the power from 125 to 155HP. :-/
    The opinions about chip-tuning a non-turbo-/ or supercharged car deviate, so without other modifications the output isn't guaranteed be really huge.
    NOS is forbidden by law here in Germany, so I don't think anybody has already experienced it. ;)
    Installing a turbo would be pretty expensive I think because it would need to be customized. Some people here once thought about installing the complete drivetrain of the new A200Turbo, but there aren't any results yet.
    Moreover the A210's gear box is a problem. Using a turbo-/ or supercharger, the torque would increase immensly and maybe destroy it sometimes.

    So far, Florian
     
  8. mykp

    mykp Elchfan

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    Its interesting than NOS is banned in Germany! *thumbdown*

    I have the Autobox which in the UK is noted from being quite strong and reliable but I do wonder how much power it could take before it blows up *angst*

    Thought the turbo option might be out as you'd have to find a compatible turbo and sort out all the electronics such as the ecu not to mention the Exhaust, etc.

    An exchange engine sounds good but the cost of the engine, even from a crashed car is still quite expensive plus you have the expense of fitting it, getting the drive train to work etc... The special editions such as the A32 are examples of such cars. Nice fast, but expensive. The A38 is reputed to have cost 300,000 euros and the A32 is rear wheel drive and which car does the rear axle come from?

    I'm not in no rush to upgrade my A210 but would like a bit more power as the A210 looks like it goes faster than it actually does *heul*

    At the moment the nitrous option looks the cheapest!

    mike
     
  9. tox

    tox Elchfan

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    Hi,
    why don't you come to germany for your next holiday? If the Chiptuning is that expensive in the UK, you could really save some money this way. And enjoy the beautiful german landscape.
    If I was you, I would be careful with this nitrous thing, unless you know somebody who already uses it since some time and doesn't have problems.
     
  10. mykp

    mykp Elchfan

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    Tox,

    I used to come to Germany quite a lot but havent been for about 10 years. I used to come over to see how fast we could drive down the Autobahns as our speed limit is 70mph *thumbdown* I used to own a MK1 Opel Kadett GTE which I managed to get to 142mph.

    Would love to come to the next big meeting you have in Germany, however as I work for myself time can be a problem! Plus i'm married now and my wife is understanding but trying to convince her to attend a car meeting in Germany might be difficult *keks*

    I've had nitrous on a car before, but it only boosted to 50hp but on a 97hp car this is quite a lot. It had been installed by Wizards of Nos who have a very good reputation in the UK. They made an Old Jaguar XJS out accelerate Porsches, Ferraris, Aston Martins, Lotuses and TVRs over a 1 mile drag!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/prog13/nitrous.shtml

    mike
     
  11. #10 Timeless, 11.07.2005
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    Timeless Elchfan

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    Hi mike

    You wouldn't be the only one from the BB-forum in Germany. I've got an email
    from another UK-BB-driver (I haven't the name in mind right now, I've not even
    answered so far :-[) and he wanted to know when and where the 2006 meeting
    takes place in Germany because he's on vacation here next summer.

    yes, the white jag... ;D ;D *daumen* did they bring it back? or do they repeat
    the previous episodes? A month ago they sinked it complete with the Mr. STIG
    in the ocean, trying to beat a sea harrier or so on the "HMS Invincible"... *heul*

    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
  12. mykp

    mykp Elchfan

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    The XJS was used as the nitrous racer car and was first used by top gear to make a James Bond style car with special gadgets. It was then used to race a Lotus, Porsche, Ferrari, TVR, Honda NSX, Aston Martin and a few others and lost misserably, it was stripped of all its weight then they raced again, it still lost! They then added a 500bhp nitrous kit and raced again and blew the other "super cars" into the dust. Thats a £300 car and a £500 nitrous kit!

    The next thing the Jag raced was the Harrier on the HMS Invincible where the car ended up on going off the end of the runway into the sea! Which is a shame as I wouldnt have minded removing the Nitrous kit first *LOL*

    Would be interested in the next meeting, but will have to see what work I have at that time..

    mike
     
  13. #12 speedykk, 11.07.2005
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    speedykk Elchfan

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    Hi,

    @mykp

    welcome!

    the A32 is a specialbuild made by HWA. They put a C32 AMG underneath an A-Class, komplete with engine and axles. So it got rear axle and a supercharger ;D , and it is the only Elk where you can turn off the ESP.

    more:

    http://www.a-scene.net/pdf/A-scene01-04_kl.pdf

    have a nice day

    KK
     
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  15. mykp

    mykp Elchfan

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    Is it an A-class with a C-class chassis & engine or is it a C-class with an A-class body? *kloppe*

    Love the SLR look in the A-scene mag! Very different! not sure about the colour though *kratz*

    I'd love to be able to turn ESP off if it just stayed off under 40mph! Drives me mad having to keep pressing the buttton! *mecker*

    mike
     
  16. #14 speedykk, 12.07.2005
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    speedykk Elchfan

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    Quote:
    Is it an A-class with a C-class chassis & engine or is it a C-class with an A-class body?

    Hi,
    I have to correct myself.

    HWA used SLK 32 AMG parts.
    -engine
    -front + rear axle
    -brakes
    -transmission
    -special made cardan shaft

    and of course lots of lots of money.

    So you coud say, an A-class with SLK chassis.
    But who cares, if I just coud afford it *heul*

    good night

    mfg

    KK
     
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